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Re: Samael's Research

Postby TheDude51 » Sat Oct 04, 2008 12:34 am

Disintegration Grenade:

This small steel sphere has several magical runes inscribed on it.

When thrown, the grenade turns incorporeal. When it enters at least a foot inside a solid object, it triggers a disintegrate effect on the object.

Disintegrate: 6*11*50 = 3,300gp
Ghostform: 8*15*50 = 6,000gp
Total Cost: 9,300gp

METAAC Grenade

This small steel sphere is covered with powerful magical runes and charged with several crystals.

Effect:
When thrown, it triggers an Antimagic field around itself, excluding its own 5 foot square from the effect while going Incorporeal. When it enters at least one foot inside a solid object it triggers a Disintegrate effect on that object.

Cost:
Antimagic Field: 6*11*50 = 3,300gp
Disintegrate: 6*11*50 = 3,300gp
Ghostform: 8*15*50 = 6,000
15 ranks spellcraft: 15*15*100 = 22,500

Based on Extraordinary Spell Aim to prevent AMF from affecting its own square.

Total Cost: 35,100gp

Note: Ghostform is to protect it from countermeasures that vehicles have against missiles such as small laser batteries or counter-missile batteries.
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Re: Samael's Research

Postby Zanaikin » Sat Oct 04, 2008 2:56 am

Extraordinary Spell Aim is DC 25+Spell Level, and Items certainly don't take 10s. What you're proposing here has no chance of making the DC. Since AMF is 25+6 = 31, you're going to need 30 ranks (90,000gps just for spellcraft) in order to carry out that the shape spell ... this is why I was looking for a Shape Spell metamagic.

The disintegrate grenade - find me an explanation of how it's triggering "5ft-in". In other words, how does the grenade know it reached 5ft into an item, it certainly doesn't keep track of distances right now. Not to mention the current method of grenade work is that it must make a hard impact with object in order to go off...
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Re: Samael's Research

Postby Laharl » Wed Oct 08, 2008 3:03 am

Judson, these could well do just fine. There is, however, one very large problem: METAAC computers run point defense against stuff like this and orb spells. You need some penetration aids. Unfortunately, since the grenade has to directly make contact with the METAAC to trigger, this is not easy. Incorporeality is probably your best choice (Ethereal won't function in lockdown), but you need a way to tell it when to phase back in. My idea is contingency, as something incorporeal still can reference its physical neighborhood, but (I think) can avoid AMF. Raises the price, but gives them a much higher chance of working.


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Re: Samael's Research

Postby Mr_Praetorian » Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:16 am

Well, the expensive route would appear to be to tag a Superior Invis on to each of them.
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Re: Samael's Research

Postby Laharl » Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:19 am

METAACs can see through it, based on the last fight. Jens was Sup Invised when they targetted him.


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Re: Samael's Research

Postby Mr_Praetorian » Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:20 am

I thought only a few of them could.
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Re: Samael's Research

Postby Laharl » Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:32 am

You're right, it's only their best pilots.


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Re: Samael's Research

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